Hi there, Kai!! I'm not an administrator here, but I'm speaking on her behalf!! She hasn't been on for a while, as she's currently on a trip!! That said, I'm sure she'll be returning soon, so you can wait for her to respond or contact the other admin!! (:
I've nearly forgotten!! Leo -- I just can't get used to his nickname!! XDD -- asked me to ask you -- since he didn't get a chance to chat to you about it yet -- if you have any experience with producing high quality images of Kuroshitsuji [or if you can find a high quality image, that's fine too!!]!! He needs a picture to redesign the masthead; the one there now is temporary, he said!! If you need more details, we'll chat later!! (;
Yeh I'll prob need you to come on later to talk to me about it. I haven't touched refining images and stuff in a longgggg time but I think I should be able to do it if Doggy gets on and talks to me about it hint hint lol No but seriously, I'll need more detail :P
And, if it isn't too much to ask, can you continue going around and asking for Affiliations with me?? I still haven't ask a lot of Wikis, and it gets tiring (LOL), so if you can help too, thanks!! (: (: (:
I'll do that right now, but Idk about the affiliations thing. I still have exams going on and yeh I might be able to do some during the weekends tho :) you can stop for now if you want Michee u've been doing an aweshum job haha! thanks~~
Apologies for not replying on Snake's talk page, but I think it's disrespectful to talk on a character's talk page when it has nothing to do with them. After all, talk pages are meant to be use to talk improvements and concerns about a character's article. So, therefore, I'm going to address several of your points by separating them here:
1.) I am well aware of the responsibilities outside of the Internet. And you said you're a senior in high school? :) Congratulations, but I do know what it is like to be a senior. Why? I'm in college (a freshman, too, and nearing my first semester), so I know how difficult it is for people to get on. (By the way, this means I'm older by a year, I assume?) Perhaps it's because I go on wikias where the majority of active users are adults, in colleges and have jobs, yet I see them go and edit without missing a day is why I strive for the same goal. Like I said, this isn't like the other wikias I've been on. Narutopedia where I'm a large contributor, I even got the roll-back function because of many contributions (I did a lot of the location pages! I can prove it, too!). Naruto is a weekly manga, Black Butler is monthly, so I am kinda surprised by the difference of activity between the two wikias. I know not all wikis are alike, but the ones I've seen, the users are so dedicated and I'm admire them so much for it. They have school and work just like me and you, but they still manage to edit on the wikias. And trust me, editing on a wikia that needs updating WEEKLY is a lot harder than doing one that updates MONTHLY. I know someone who is a senior as well, and she edits a wikia, too. So yes, I do know. I've always known and always will.
2.) Yes, actually. I'm an administrator on the KH Wiki. I have been for about five or four years now. I started editing when I was thirteen. :) But thing is, because come here to the wiki, they see you guys aren't as active as others wiki, and this discourage them. NO ONE wants go at something alone with no one to help. That's how I feel, and that's I don't want to use my account to edit here. One Piece Wikia is a good example of this. I've edited there, and most the editors there are high school students, but although I don't edit there anymore, I still keep an eye of the Recent Changes and see how much dedication they put into it, despite school and work. Again, One Piece is another weekly manga that's currently ongoing, and the series is also more complicated and crazier than Black Butler is. It's also ones of the wikias that are able to get the RAW scans to use, because much like the Narutopedia, they don't believe in using scans that the fan translations use, because fan translations are illegal and are tampered with. They have school and work, but they're active and when people see this, they feel secure, knowing that others will be there to contribute and always willingly to a lend a hand immediately. People trust active wikias because they keep up to date with everything, and fans feel like they can depend on them. :)
3.) As for the changes, this wiki was created in 2009, Yen Press released the first volume of the series in 2010, the anime in Japan premiered in 2008 and ended in 2010 (counting the second season), and FUNimationn acquired the rights to the series in 2010 and didn't release until 2011. It's 2013 right now. So, I'm surprised that no one made the simple change, for example, on Hannah's page to fix her surname to "Annafellows", because "Anafeloz" was the surname given by fan translations. I do know this for a fact, because no other company licensed the series until FUNimation did, therefore "Anafeloz" can't really be Hannah's surname until proven otherwise by another source. Another is Arthur "Wordsmith". I already made the corrections for Mr. Arthur Conan Doyle's page, I just couldn't move it.
4.) I'm not angry at you for your blunt response. After all, I've been doing this for nearly six years now (because 2013 is going to end soon and all, which is why I say nearly six years). I'm used to it, and it's something people need to get use to if they're going to be editors, especially admins. Thing is, my sister told me not to edit here. She knew how bad this wiki was, and didn't want me to get involve. And yes, she is a Black Butler fan. She observed the Recent Changes, saw who's here and who isn't, the kind of information there is, and she knew it's be fruitless for me to "try and make a difference". I agreed, and that's why I only edited at school, outside my account. However, although she disapproves and it was against my better judgement, I brought my concerns on talk pages and got involve anyway. The reason being this: I did for the fans and my friends. They don't know any better and believe everything blindly of the things written on here, even the trivial things. It's not their fault, of course, but only editors can truly understand what goes on here and what is true and what is not. People should never, ever take information on Wikipedia and wikias too seriously, not without being 100% sure that it's trustworthy. This is why teachers tell students they're not allowed to use Wikipedia as information, and although Wikipedia and wikias aren't exactly the same, the truth still stands that both wikias and Wikipedia can be edit by ANYONE, and that person may not always be right. But I'm a basically a walking encyclopedia, and I convinced two friends of mine to come to me if they ever need help. I owe the mangas, I check sources (including the fan translations) for differences, consult with others (I have a few translators who are friends), and etc. I even know and remember things in the series that people probably forgotten! (Trivial things, too, like Soma knowing martial arts, who the Phantomhives buy their food from, how long it takes to get to London from the manor, etc.)
Also, I admit to myself that I had a fleeting thought about creating my own Kuroshitsuji wiki. This wikia is the only one that exists for the series, and it's not against the rules to create a wiki focusing on the same anime or manga. I've seen some wikias that does it. However, my sister and I have been talking, and I've decided to leave this be. She was right, so I won't be editing here after I finished this message to you, as anonymous user or otherwise. If fans want to believe everything they read here without checking sources, then, well, that's them. My sister and I know what's right and what's wrong. It's as simple as that. Besides, I edit on the Wikipedia. I fixed the characters page up really well. Not done and there are limits, but it has all of the correct names. I wish you luck in high school and congratulate you on your upcoming graduation. :)
And you know, just because you a series, you don't have to edit this place if you don't want to. This shouldn't feel like a burden to you or anyone. I think that's why the wikias I go is why the users work so hard on them, despite everything else going on. :) It's really admirable, which is why I'm like them.
Well, then, if you'll excuse me, I have to prepare for an English paper that's due Tuesday and a science exam taking on the same day.
Hi there again and yes that would be a good idea. I was thinking of moving my response from the Snake page to your message wall as well, but I think I'll just let it be.
First of all, instead of trying to sound reasonable as you may have thought you would be, I beg to differ from some of the points that you have made in your comment above. Have you not read what I said in my last response? If you really do know so many great suggestions and claim to know trivia that other people don't even remember, why don't you make an effort and do something? As I have said time after time again, there are many ways where you can edit and improve the wiki without having to be an admin. As I'm sure you know already, the reason why it's so easy to make an account for the wiki is that anyone can edit. Admins don't have to do all the work for you; they maintain the wiki and ensure that it's a happy and wiki-friendly environment for everyone to edit. I am aware of how many edits you have made and I will refrain from comparing the scale of our edits to yours, but the same applies to us, you know? Before we became inactive (which, I reiterate, was out of our control), we have made tons of constructive and administrative edits to get the wiki to its place right now. Sure, it may have been created in 2009 and sure it's not on the level of wikis such as Narutopedia, Bleach and One Piece, but the main and most important thing is that we try. It's one thing to complain about the quality of a wiki whilst being active and it's another thing altogether to complain in nearly every single post here without doing anything about it. If you really do love this series so much (and mind you, all the users here who have been here for a long time do as well. Ownership of the whole manga volume is not the only criteria that constitutes a dedicated fan. There are people who can't afford to buy the volumes because of different prices they charge for it in different countries. We try our best to buy the most we can and support the mangaka), and you have already indirectly expressed interest in trying to give input, why don't you do it? You have been active before on previous wikis, it isn't a hard job to be active particularly on one that is about something you like and are dedicated to. This may feel as though I am regurgitating my previous post, but it's because you seem to have glanced over some bits of what I said before. There are forums, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and if you tell me what you think would be the best for the wiki, I would welcome it! :) I'd be more than happy to see what suggestions you have, as long as it makes the wiki overall a better and more reliable source.
Also, according to you and your sister, you are not going to edit here anymore apparently because you feel as though it's not good enough, frankly, I don't understand the logic behind that. Shouldn't you have the basic level of respect for another wiki particularly since you're an admin of another wiki? Telling others not to come here and edit because it's a 'bad' wiki is more of a sign of bad sportsmanship rather than what you think is your good intentions towards other people who want to edit about something they like. People have free will and they can make their own choices once they come here and decide whether or not they like it. Back to our wiki being unreliable, how do you think so? I am aware of certain users sometimes - whether purposefully or not - giving wrong information on the wiki but we strive to correct that as soon as possible. Just a teensy trivia fact that might have been wrong does not mean at all that the whole wiki is then horrible, unreliable and completely misleading. Of course, it'd be better if those mistakes never happened in the first place, but wikis are not and are not supposed to be perfect from the very start. I can assure you that 90% of what we have written here are absolutely correct and that you will find them on other sites. If a wiki needs improvement, isn't it of the utmost importance to constantly come back to it and gradually allow it to become better and more efficient rather than become repulsed or annoyed by its current state and let it stall? Just because a wiki may not be perfectly polished up and of course, I am aware that people love to rely on a wiki which is constantly updated (which we are working towards overall) but that doesn't mean that once it starts falling behind, you just abandon it. It's just as important to help improve a less active wiki as well as to maintain top notch ones. That's fundamental logic, I don't need to reiterate it. And might I add, the matter of what's right and what's wrong is extremely subjective. Sure there may be certain areas which I'm sure you'd be absolutely correct about if there are the resources, but you seem to like assuming that some stray mistakes on the wiki automatically means that it is no good at all. I'd like to bring the Lawrence and other name issues again because I feel as though I need to clarify something about that. The reason why I name them with the names that Funimation has not provided is because although Funimation does provide the official names for the characters, they are not the only alternatives. As I'm sure you know from your translator friends, translating from Japanese to English is complex and difficult because the different stresses and ways of interpreting them results in a number of alternatives for one particular word. Fan translators can't just be disregarded because they're not 'official', they are merely providing a different alternative to the same thing. Both are right. I have seen many people on other sites use the names I knew the Kuro characters in and not the Funimation ones. But if it allows for uniformity, I will look into just making every single name here ones provided by Funimation. Please don't take any offence into any of this, as well as your sister. You are all entitled to your own opinions and I am just giving my own take on her/your opinion.
Even though I have said I don't know the current situation of other wikis, but like you, I have edited on active wikis before and come into close contact with many other adminstrators/bureaucrats/rollbacks/regular members and I can tell you that if an admin or regular user were to become inactive due to real life priorities they'd definitely be understanding about it and not accuse them of being unwilling to dedicate themselves. Yes I'm aware that our wiki has shortcomings, but so do others. We try the best that we can. Of course the ones who are able to take their time out as much as they are admirable and I totally agree with you on that! They do deserve the respect that people like you and me give them and we strive to be like them as much as possible. However, if it really won't work out we can't do much about it which is why sometimes admins go inactive. You say that it's fruitless to make a difference on this wiki. No, it isn't. This isn't some life and death sort of situation, there is no need to go to the extreme. We value every constructive contribution on the wiki. And you also say that you're doing this for the fans and friends. We took up roles as editors and admins on this site to do the exact same thing. I am sure that just as there are many people out there who are relying on us for accurate information, there are many other people out there who are willing to overlook some little mistakes and might even help us to improve the wiki and become one that people can look forward to. And as I have said before, again, there are other places where you can search for Kuroshitsuji information. If this wiki doesn't suit your taste, I won't fault you for it.
But, you shouldn't underestimate other people's efforts and put them down just because they don't reach your own standards.
I'm closing this conversation since this is obviously not going anywhere and we have starkly different view on a lot of things. Like I said, no hard feelings here so I hope there are no misunderstandings. As you have so painstakingly pointed out at the end of your message, I too have exams I need to prepare for on the following day. Best wishes to you and hope you find a wiki that both is willing to listen to you and suits your needs. Good luck on your English and Science exams.
I don't believe in making people wait and I'm a person for answers and giving answers, and you deserve a response.
1.) I don't mind giving you my suggestions, but I'm worried they might get shot down, although I've run through all the ways why someone shouldn't do that. For example, I would like to combine the "Characteristics", "Plot", and "Misc." tabs together and move the "Anime Synopsis" into a separate tab. However, a big change like that, it's necessary to get permission from the admins. Again, this is just one of many.
2.) The reason why I decided to not do it, because I've tried editing on inactive and nearly inactive wikias before, and it never works out well. My sister worries that editing here would be...stressful for me, given the fact I've edited on a very similar wiki before with the same situation this wiki is facing. Moreoever, if I'm the only truly active and you guys appear a few times a month during minor edits instead of big ones (for example, correcting spelling and grammar and adding new information compare to revamping the synopsis of all the arcs because for one thing, they don't flow in a proper order and all the wiki seems to be doing is copy and pasting from the chapters' respective articles), I would feel overwhelmed. Not only that, but restricted as well due my "newbie" status. I'm used to doing things fast and efficiently, because those are mostly the wikias I've seen, been on, and like. Besides, I edit on the Wikipedia, for the characters. They don't allow excess information, but at the very least, I'm still helping the fans in some way. That's my way of supporting it, too. :) Wikipedia is just as important as wikia is. They're basically one and the same, and that characters page was all but abandon. After all, Wikipedia is also a source of information and fans go there, too. I've kept it up to date since I took over as being the main editor on the characters page. Just because I don't edit here doesn't mean I'm not showing support. Just remember that editors come and go, and all editors have a specific wikia they prefer to edit on. For example, there are two KH Wikias, originally one but separated because users decided to split in two for fans: one that acts more like a fansite than an encyclopedia, and one that's solely acts as encyclopedia. I'm one of the users that chose the encyclopedia over fansite.
3.) I also would like to point that fans use the names, for example, "Hannah Anafeloz", merely because it was used first, in fan translations. Just because people use it numerous sites doesn't mean it's necessarily means it's accurate. It's just because the series was never released until 2011. Seeing a certain spelling used on numerous sites (e.g. Middleford) does not guarantee validity (Midford). I know how tricky translating is, yes. I always consulted them regarding Hannah's surname (Annafellows won). Thing is, because the series uses English names, it seems to me that translating them into English is a lot easier than translating Japanese names into English. Yen Press and Black Asylum are nearly the same when it comes to them, save for a few examples. I know that fan translations provide alternative spellings, but fans translations varies too much, depending on translates them and how skilled the translator are. Not necessarily, official and fan translations are NOT right. Another example, fan translations stated Madam Red's married surname as "Barnett", but BOTH FUnimation and Yen Press translate it correctly as "Burnett". I don't see this an alternative spelling, I see this a mistake, kinda like how someone pronounces your name incorrectly. An alternative spelling example would be "Grell" and "Grelle", because they are used in both official sources, and are therefore equally valid. In any case, when two official companies with experienced translators got the same result, that's saying something.
4.) Yeah, I wanted to edit here for fans and friends, but coming to decision about major edits is going to take too much time, and I honestly don't want to wait and get into long, drawn-out arguments over something as trivial as adding an "S" to the end of the Phantomhive Manor Murders Arc. Why does something so positively simple must wait for a decision to be made for that? And for the record, lots of people don't know what's a mistake or what's not. All they see what's written here and they think it's right. Sometimes, they don't even find that out until much later, all the while feeding the information to others and they will that onto others, and etc. That is a fact, I've seen it for myself, even something as trivial as spelling Abberline's surname as "Aberline", because that was written here on this wiki, even though it was blatantly obvious where he got the name. They don't know better, and I can't fault them for that because they just blindly believed anything here. Besides, I do look at alternative sources, it's an editor's duty to look into all and any sources, consult with others, and decide the the valid or most accurate one. Do it and seen it on a daily basis.
5.) I'm not mad at you or anything. Getting to debates is normal for wikias, especially for active wikias. Trust me, this is nothing compare to what I witness on other wikias and on forums (I read them because it helps editors, in my opinion, to gain an understanding on fans on both sides, because wikias are made by fans for fans, so yeah. It helps keep a neutral perspective and prepares editors for counterarguments. Again, in my opinion, anyway, since users come and ask just about the same questions). Editing on a wiki that's active, therefore with more users, it's common to meet and edit together with people with different views. It's only matter of not letting biases and personal feelings get in that with providing explanations to why this is supposed to be that and so on.
In the end, I'm not sad about leaving or anything. I'm editing on the Wikipedia for the series, which is equally important. Pretty much no one was editing there until I stepped in. I'm currently editing it now. Doing a pretty good job of it, too. Still gotta be careful not to add too much, lest it'll get deleted (policies and all). Plus, I manage another series at Wikipedia, and adding those two, I'm editing totally in on four sites at the moment. Still have college to think about, too, and editing here to be the fifth? That's too much.
I wish you the best of luck, and thanks for bringing the topic of changing the newest arc's name. Yana-sensei, to my knowledge at least, has also called the arcs by a representative name on her blogs. During the Weston College Arc, I roughly translated the name she used on Google Translator as "Boarding School" (since, you know, it is a public boarding school). I visit Yana-sensei's blogs once a day since she doesn't post that much since she's a hard worker and all (she couldn't even attend the red carpet event for the movie because she was busy with work).
Oh, and it's just my science exam, really. ^_^; My English exam isn't until the week after and I have a sociology exam to take on that same week. I'm not worried, though. I'm good with time management.
Best wishes. :)
P.S: Won't be replaying to anyone else from now on. And I'll keep my word not to edit here anymore. The Wikipedia needs someone to manage it, too, after all.